We’re hearing rumors that LCF admin — in yet another brilliant display of short-sighted irrationality — plans to hide the entire contents of Ask Kimmer thread, rendering them effectively nonexistent for public reference, research, and investigative purposes.
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21 April, 2008 at 7:01 pm
bluesuederebel
Well, that would probably be the case now that most of the ex-KK’s folks have found a “home.” It’s also the place where a lot of the new people might end up when that 404 message shows up at KK’s one day. That is, if someone clever doesn’t make a new “home” where people can move in.
22 April, 2008 at 6:14 am
yustyucky
Funny you should mention that …
22 April, 2008 at 7:13 am
mariasol
Personally, I prefer the thread remaining public. It’s pushed so far below the FWK threads anyway that nobody would stumble over it by accident.
If you read FWK first, the “Ask Kimmer” thread scares people away from Kimkins rather than promoting the diet. And, if you pay attention to the posters’ stats, you can see that nobody had any success with it.
22 April, 2008 at 7:15 am
mariasol
Correction: That should read “nobody had any LASTING success with it”
22 April, 2008 at 8:36 am
honeybeesblog
Yucky- Does this include the FWK thread?
Would the threads be available to the proper authorities or to the attorneys involved in the case? My opinion below is based on the information still being available at anytime to them.
I do think that the information on the ask kimmer threads has the potential of being abused by those with ANA or seeking a disordered weigh of eating.
For this reason I can see blocking them from public view.
To look at it from the other perspective- I can also see allowing them to remain viewable for a few reasons as well.
I agree with Mariasol that those looking for a true WOE would be turned off to the Kimkins based on the kimmer threads if they dig enough, so showing them extreme advice Kimmer gave may work against Kimkins.
I also like being able to reference the thread for information and links when attempting to either find information to search or to proved information for those considering Kimkins.
Maybe the answer lies somewhere in the middle. They could be made viewable to members after x amount of days on the boards, much like the playground. This would allow the member to peruse the excellent advice on the other threads, check out the FWK thread and to view other WOEs. This would also discourage those who are only looking for ANA promoting WOE too, in my opinion.
22 April, 2008 at 8:51 am
katinsac
Honey says: “Maybe the answer lies somewhere in the middle. They could be made viewable to members after x amount of days on the boards, much like the playground. This would allow the member to peruse the excellent advice on the other threads, check out the FWK thread and to view other WOEs. This would also discourage those who are only looking for ANA promoting WOE too, in my opinion.”
I agree with this. I think the information is too important to not leave it there in the future. It not only helps people now from joinging KK but it also gives a lot of information about VLC diets and I think it draws attention to them. I have learned so much from this thread and it is not all related to KK itself.
I think the threads should remain forever as a reference. I think they have helped many more than we know. I appreciate the Admin’s for allowing them and the discussions that go on in them.
22 April, 2008 at 9:12 am
yustyucky
Good point, HB. No idea really what if anything LCF admin’s actual plans are.
Is he going to hide the Ask Kimmer while allowing the pro-Ana/pro-Kimmer forums/threads to remain open & active?
Or are those even there anymore? It’s been a while since we checked, but the last time we did there were ongoing pro-Kimkins challenge threads.
22 April, 2008 at 9:19 am
yustyucky
Mariasol says “Personally, I prefer the thread remaining public. It’s pushed so far below the FWK threads anyway that nobody would stumble over it by accident.”
ITA Mariasol.
Mariasol says “If you read FWK first, the ‘Ask Kimmer’ thread scares people away from Kimkins rather than promoting the diet. And, if you pay attention to the posters’ stats, you can see that nobody had any lasting success with it.”
Good point. Hey how about placing Ask Kimmer as a subforum to the FWK’s? Would that work?
And anyway, if LCF admin actually is planning to hide or even delete Ask Kimmer, what’s his rationale? What’s really going on?
And is this the beginning of the end? Will our doomish/gloomish predictions come true after all? Will the Fascination threads be scrubbed from LCF along with all other anti-Kimmer evidence including Ask Kimmer?
We remarked about the introductory post to the current LCF FWK thread — 16 — and the sense that this is the beginning of a cya, a part of the ways between LCF and the antiKimkins movement.
We hope we’re wrong.
22 April, 2008 at 9:37 am
theTRUTH
Hiding that information would not be good IMAO.
22 April, 2008 at 10:21 am
Watcher
The Ask Kimmer threads have been ripped apart and digested ad nauseum by ducks and other interested parties. They should be retained as a barely accessible archive to those with a compelling legal need to know. The FWK threads contain all that and more; so they should be more accessible for a much longer time. However, sooner or later, the FWK threads will have to be capped. I would like them to convert to Read Only files, but with the option of having authorised updates for anything of significance. (Like, Heidi Diaz of “Kimmer” fame passes away from complications arising from her inadequate diet, says Jeanessa.)
22 April, 2008 at 11:03 am
mariasol
It can not be easy to be a mod on LCF. What should be allowed and what shouldn’t? So far, there hasn’t been any censorship based on choice of WOE as far as I know. Why start now?
People looking for Kimkins information will find it one way or the other. If it’s not on LCF, they will go elsewhere. At least now on LCF there is anti-kimkins information as well which wasn’t there before.
Perhaps it would be a good idea if LCF could change Kimmer’s profile to show the PI pic and change her stats to “obese” instead of keeping the fake information. I’m sure that would have an impact on any newbie stumbling into a kimmer thread.
22 April, 2008 at 11:10 am
wackytobeme
Mariasol said: Perhaps it would be a good idea if LCF could change Kimmer’s profile to show the PI pic and change her stats to “obese” instead of keeping the fake information. I’m sure that would have an impact on any newbie stumbling into a kimmer thread.
Excellent suggestion! why hasn’t someone thought to do that before now. If you think about it, as it is right now, (bogus pics), it seems as LCF (Tom, et al) are endorsing her.
22 April, 2008 at 12:01 pm
lilgrnize
I agree that the Ask Kimmer thread should remain available. There continues to be new information uncovered there when a new set of eyes reads through it.
I agree that it makes sense to remove Heidi’s false stats and avatar, but I don’t agree that they should put updated information in there…no matter how big a liar she is, I think it would be unethical for LCF to replace it with what they THINK should be there. I see lots of avatars on there that I KNOW are not really the member (and I’m sure it’s not meant to be). Other than not allowing the ones that are vulgar/offensive/etc., any more than that would open up censorship of all our avatars.
I disagree that Tom is endorsing Heidi by leaving her avatar and stats up as she left them. No more than he’s endorsing that my grandson is the cutest baby in the world by allowing me to use his picture as my avatar.
22 April, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Cognomen
lilgrnize; did your grandson bilk over $1M from people and lead them to harm?
Being a part of ANYTHING that gives credence to Heidi in the eyes of the unsuspecting is an endorsement that shouldn’t exist.
Besides, it would make Tom look like the biggest meany to object to a picture of a cute baby!
22 April, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Anonymous
Cognomen, I said I agree that he should remove them, just don’t take it as an endorsement of her if he doesn’t. Just hate to see it all get to the point that they censor all avatars.
Of course that’s just my opinion…I’ll be the first to admit I’m not always right! I don’t always agree with the actions of the admins at LCF, but I do try to remind myself that the view is much different from where they’re sitting…there’s a very fine line between moderation and censorship. And for the record, I do consider some of their actions censorship, but I imagine, just like all of us, they make decisions in the heat of the moment at times that they wouldn’t repeat under the exact same circumstances at another time.
Geez, did that even make sense…or was it just the biggest run-on sentence in history???
22 April, 2008 at 8:31 pm
lilgrnize
Oops, that anonymous was me…forgot to log in…
22 April, 2008 at 9:20 pm
yustyucky
lol no problem Lil.
Interesting discussion! No idea what would constitute a workable solution. Our chief concern as far as the Ask Kimmer threads is that they be preserved — they don’t have to be preserved at LCF.
24 April, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Magicsmom
This is a real conundrum. To leave the Ask Kimmer threads leaves the information there for people to be led into doing her dangerous plan. However, I think that it is vital evidence that cannot be destroyed. So, I tend to agree that I don’t really want people to have access to her bad advice, but at the same time strongly believe the information needs to be available to those involved in the litigation.
25 April, 2008 at 11:30 am
yustyucky
Good points, Magics. And available not just for those involved in the litigation but also those who, like us, are interested in the whole thing, and who are discussing, blogging, etc. And what if real journalists want to study the threads? Or real detectives?
oh well, as you say, a conundrum.
It’s been a while since I ventured outside the fascination threads, and am wondering — are the pro-Kimkins forums & threads still up & running at LCF? Last time I looked, there were groups of people actually doing the Kimkins diet — LCF was hosting their forums, threads, challenges, etc.